Bug #6054
The #hts freenode channel
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Description
Morning everyone, hope you're all well.
In light of recent events with Freenode (which I won't go into here) I took the liberty of opening a sister/brother #hts channel over on libera.chat. Sadly the mere mention of libera in the topic was enough to get the channel mangled. Not once did I mention #hts had moved.
Topic for #hts is: Discussion about Tvheadend: https://tvheadend.org | Logs at http://colabti.org | Latest stable is: 4.2.8 | This channel is also on libera.chat! * ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has left * freenodecom (~com@freenode/staff) has joined * freenodecom gives channel operator status to freenodecom * freenodecom has changed the topic to: This channel has moved to ##hts. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies <freenodecom> This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies * freenodecom removes channel operator status from mpmc * freenodecom removes voice from mpmc * OperServ gives channel operator status to freenodecom
Why is this a bug? I opened this as a bug rather than in the forum because it affects the tvheadend '#hts' user community and as a community we need to make a decision as to where the main channels should be. Nothing is set in stone at this point.
So folks, what are your thoughts please?
PS: You're more than welcome to join #hts on libera if you like, however depending on the consensus in this issue that may change.
History
Updated by saen acro over 3 years ago
Updated by This is a freenode censor
11:20 <mort> Wait, just yesterday this channel had the libera channel in its topic 11:21 <mort> what happened? 11:21 <@danderson> freenode staff nuked all channels that had the word "libera" in their topic. 11:21 <@danderson> which includes 700+ OSS projects. 11:21 <@danderson> including #go-nuts :)
Updated by Flole Systems over 3 years ago
Updated by Well if they decided that they no longer want us by nuking the channel and think that a TV Server project is in violation of their guidelines then we will choose another provider which allows discussions about an open source TV software, can't be that hard to find one.
I personally don't use IRC anyways and would prefer something like a Telegram group (but that's probably just me 
). As you already created a new channel I would say that we wait 7 days now in case someone has any concerns or sees issues, and if by then nobody commented those here it will be set in stone.
Updated by Mark Clarkstone over 3 years ago
Updated by Flole Systems wrote:
Well if they decided that they no longer want us by nuking the channel and think that a TV Server project is in violation of their guidelines then we will choose another provider which allows discussions about an open source TV software, can't be that hard to find one.
I personally don't use IRC anyways and would prefer something like a Telegram group (but that's probably just me
I'd love to see you on IRC though, and I'm also on Telegram.
My intention wasn't even to move the #hts channel at all but to have one on libera too. I suppose I could ask the freenode staff if people want it back but given how heavy-handed they've been I don't hold out any hope. Any takers willing to deal with them instead? 
Updated by saen acro over 3 years ago
+1 for Telegram group.
https://www.redmine.org/plugins/redmine_chat_telegram
Updated by Mark Clarkstone over 3 years ago
- Due date set to 2021-07-01
just an FYI I updated the contact bit on the main page to include all three networks. trying to be neutral, even if personally I find it hard :).
I think it's wise we leave this issue open a bit longer so people not so active here can still have their say
Updated by Flole Systems over 3 years ago
Even if it's marked as resolved/fixed/whatever there can still be further comments, it's just "for us" to keep track of what needs attention and what doesn't afaik.
If we don't have control over #hts on Freenode then we should not list it. It can still be an unofficial channel and if someone wants to use it that's perfectly fine, but I think the whole point of having an official channel is that the team behind the software has control over it. So I think it should be de-listed.
Updated by Mark Clarkstone over 3 years ago
- Status changed from Need feedback to Resolved
Flole Systems wrote:
Even if it's marked as resolved/fixed/whatever there can still be further comments, it's just "for us" to keep track of what needs attention and what doesn't afaik.
If we don't have control over #hts on Freenode then we should not list it. It can still be an unofficial channel and if someone wants to use it that's perfectly fine, but I think the whole point of having an official channel is that the team behind the software has control over it. So I think it should be de-listed.
Flole Systems wrote:
Even if it's marked as resolved/fixed/whatever there can still be further comments, it's just "for us" to keep track of what needs attention and what doesn't afaik.
If we don't have control over #hts on Freenode then we should not list it. It can still be an unofficial channel and if someone wants to use it that's perfectly fine, but I think the whole point of having an official channel is that the team behind the software has control over it. So I think it should be de-listed.
Given the events yesterday it has now been removed with links pointing to this issue and another explaining what went on. I guess we can mark this as resolved now.
Updated by Mark Clarkstone over 3 years ago
- Status changed from Resolved to Fixed
Fixed may be a better status :p